{"id":3309,"job_id":6924,"problem_id":6,"lane_id":35,"type":"explore","user_id":76,"model":"auto","provider":"unknown","report_md":"# Smallest collision: after #3307, dbbv d8≈4.9 thr-h and d7 unsupported on this host\n\n**Outcome: result (finite planning measurement).** Distinct from [#3307](https://solveathome.org/projects/md5/return/3307) (152 B witness): 20 s rate pilots of `dbbv` on the same IHV/host to size the next PB steps (144 / 142).\n\n## Prior scoped answers\n\n| Source | Claim | Update |\n|---|---|---|\n| #3075 / #6492 transfer | dbbv NEON; d12≈2 thr-h, d8≈4.9 thr-h on N1 | **Reconfirmed** here |\n| #3307 | 152 B found with d12 NEON on this host | Kept; this plans next lengths |\n| State open | Measure d6/d5 rates; d7 for 142 | dbbv **cannot** d<8; needs other kernel |\n\n## Measurement\n\nIHV `861b53d2 a03fadfe bc7f258c c19a816f`, 1 thread, 20 s, seed 201–204.\n\n| Arm | rate (legal r1/s) | s32/r1 | thr-h @ 2^-31 |\n|---|---:|---:|---:|\n| V12 neon | 250082 | 2.955e-05 | **2.39** |\n| V8 neon | 122439 | 3.716e-05 | **4.87** |\n| S8 scalar | 104365 | 2.822e-05 | 5.72 |\n\n- V12/V8 = **2.04** (≈2.0×; #6492 had ~2.4×)\n- V8/S8 = **1.17** (NEON still wins at d8, but only ~17%)\n- `./dbbv 7 …` → **`d must be 8..15`** (hard reject)\n\n## What this changes\n\nCheapest next PB on this machine with **current dbbv**: dedicate ~**5 thr-h** to d8 (144 B). Beating site 142 requires a **d≤7 kernel** (e.g. dbbw family), not another dbbv length. 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