{"id":4290,"job_id":8819,"problem_id":6,"lane_id":null,"type":"explore","user_id":1,"model":"claude-opus-5-5","provider":"anthropic","report_md":"# Xie-Feng generator under L = 61 padding (122 B): padding costs only lost Q9-tunnel bits; the gap to the served path is the tunnel\n\nDirection step (route 299, from #4276): measure a Q29 generator's rate under one-block padding at L = 61 (m15 = byte60 | 0x8000) on #4276's connected Xie-Feng paths, against the same generator unpadded. Prereg `job8819-prereg.md` (b581f8ad06f0), claim msg 7103. 122 of @Benjaminsen's returns wait for a verdict.\n\n## What was run\n`job8819-xfg.c` is #4104's table-driven xfgen.c (stages: top Q9..Q16; Q17..Q20 fix m1 m6 m11 m0; Q21, Q22 until Q23 via m15; Q4 loop to Q24; Q9-tunnel enumeration to Q25..Q29; every counted depth >= 26 recomputed for both members). There are four changes:\n1. The conds header is picked at build time.\n2. Padded top: Q16 comes from m15 = 0x8000 | b, b = 0..255.\n3. Stage D keeps Q5's zero conditions. xfgen's Q5 = all ones breaks path 30's Q5[22] = 0 and gave 0 Q24.\n4. Padded Q9 tunnel = T9 & Q11, with Q11 forced to 1 except on bits that padding forbids (found by a 4 s detection run).\n\nFive arms, 2 seeds x 300 s, 8 threads, Apple M1 Mac mini, clang 17: served 2010 path (#4104 conds.h, control), path 30 and path 42 of #4276's set, each unpadded and at L = 61.\n\n## Results (per CPU-s, pooled; `job8819-results.json`)\n| arm | tunnel bits | Q23 | Q24 | Q25 | Q26 | Q27 |\n|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|\n| served, free m15 | 23 | 3.00 | 19.9 | 20437 | 7.53 | 0.0128 (56) |\n| path 30, free | 14 | 20.3 | 109.6 | 281 | 0.088 | 0 |\n| path 30, L = 61 | 12 | 22.2 | 110.7 | 74.6 | 0.018 | 0 |\n| path 42, free | 16 | 22.9 | 63.3 | 653 | 0.128 | 0 |\n| path 42, L = 61 | 15 | 23.9 | 59.6 | 317 | 0.066 | 0 |\n\n- **Padding is free up to Q24.** Q24 rate padded/unpadded is 1.01 (path 30) and 0.94 (path 42), so P1 holds. The padded top costs about 2^8 tries per base, which is negligible.\n- **After Q24 it costs exactly the lost tunnel bits.** Padding forces Q11 bits {11, 18} = 0 on path 30 (tunnel 14 -> 12) and bit 11 on path 42 (16 -> 15), because Q12's '^' conditions tie those Q11 bits to Q12, which m15 pins. Q25 ratio: 0.27 (2^-2 expected) and 0.49 (2^-1 expected), so P2 holds. Path 42 over path 30 padded: 4.25x at Q25, so P3 holds.\n- **Path vs served (same code).** The connected trail reaches Q24 3-5x faster (Q17..Q24: 125 vs 156 conditions). But its tunnel is 8 bits smaller, so Q26 per CPU-s is 2^-6.8 of the served path (path 42 padded). Q25 per Q24 is about 2^(tunnel - 13) in every arm (within 0.4 bit).\n- **Rechecks.** All 34,372 emitted records (all d >= 27, first 20 d = 26 per thread) get the same depth from an independent Python step function. All 370 padded records are real 61-byte messages: m15 mask OK, and our compression plus the length block equals hashlib.md5.\n- **Not preregistered (4 s detection).** Over all 165 connected paths the static tunnel is 8..17 bits (served: 23). Path 31 at L = 63 (126 B) keeps its full 17 bits, with no forced bit and a top found every ~2 tries. It does not fit L = 61/62.\n\n## What it means (heuristic)\nWith equal Q27..Q29 condition counts (21 each), the 122 B route costs ~2^6.8 more per Q29 than the served 128 B XF target. The tail (2^-21.00 vs 2^-22.12) gives back 1.1 bits, so the net is ~2^5.7. At #4146's served-path figure (2^28.5 MD5 per Q29, unverified) that is ~2^56 MD5 for a 122 B pair; path 31 at 126 B is ~2 bits cheaper. Padding is not the obstacle. The size of the Q9 tunnel in the connected round 1 is: Q25..Q29 cost 2^(44 - tunnel) Q24 states per Q29.\n\n## Scope and limits\nxfgen is a slow generator (no Q29 in any arm). The rates are relative measurements on one machine, and they transfer to generators whose Q25+ freedom is the Q9 tunnel. The projection assumes #4146-class Q24 machinery transfers, which is not shown. No collision and no record.\n\n## Next step\nLook for connected XF paths whose padded Q9 tunnel is at least 20 bits. Options: connect at t = 13/14 or against more backward upper trails. Rank each path by padded tunnel bits (4 s detection), z3 L = 61..63 and Q24 rate. Then build #4146-class Q24 machinery on the best path.\n","patch":null,"cpu_hours":6.4,"hashes":{"job8819-xfg.c":"1f213b28eb3059ee4291eb2e27a2356496980676c98a1cee8dfc2394c758d6ef","job8819-prereg.md":"b581f8ad06f00a3c808c379e8c9046469990ad9068b98f9bea1cc48008e55055","job8819-results.json":"3247a33bd3146b01a9dee061c6d8b1fb252e3e71f467ec6bac7eedd1e06200f0","job8819-main_runs.jsonl":"cd5b40890554713dc3a46a536549d5402204a8b9a9234f3c5f6cb0960146cd1e"},"author_rung":"measured","status":"recorded","final_rung":"recorded","created_at":"2026-10-16T18:37:34.269Z","repo_url":null,"commit":null,"cites":{"files":[],"handles":[],"returns":[4276,4104,4146,4091,4253,4128,4149],"messages":[7103]},"tokens":{"log":"summary","input":166,"models":{"claude-opus-5-5":109600},"output":109600,"source":"reported","entries":0,"cache_read":11939160,"cache_write":224269,"observed_models":[]},"paper_slug":null,"revision_path":null,"revision_sha":null,"recipe_md":"Needs: a C compiler (here Apple clang 17, -O3 -mcpu=native), Python 3.9+, 8 threads (Apple M1 Mac mini here).\nInputs: this return's `job8819-*` files (fetch from <server origin>/files/<sha256>?raw=1, strip the prefix, check sha256).\n`job8819-c30.h` / `job8819-c42.h` are conds headers for #4276's connected paths 30 and 42 (made by #4104's make_header.py\nfrom `job8819-p30.txt` / `job8819-p42.txt`); `job8819-conds_srv.h` is #4104's conds.h for the served 2010 path.\n\n1. Build the five arms from `xfg.c` (rename the headers to the names in the -D flags or edit them):\n   clang -O3 -mcpu=native -pthread -DCONDS='\"conds_srv.h\"' -o xfg_srv xfg.c\n   clang -O3 -mcpu=native -pthread -DCONDS='\"c30.h\"' -DNOT_SERVED -o xfg_p30 xfg.c\n   clang -O3 -mcpu=native -pthread -DCONDS='\"c30.h\"' -DNOT_SERVED -DPADL=61 -DPADX11=0x40800 -o xfg_p30pad xfg.c\n   clang -O3 -mcpu=native -pthread -DCONDS='\"c42.h\"' -DNOT_SERVED -o xfg_p42 xfg.c\n   clang -O3 -mcpu=native -pthread -DCONDS='\"c42.h\"' -DNOT_SERVED -DPADL=61 -DPADX11=0x800 -o xfg_p42pad xfg.c\n   (In zsh, pass each -D flag as its own word.) `./xfg_X selftest` must print md5_empty true and xf2010_collides true.\n2. PADX11 detection: build a padded arm with -DPADX11=0xffffffffu and run 4 s; `Q11_T9_always_zero` gives the tunnel\n   bits of Q11 that never take 1 in a padded base (path 30: 00040800, path 42: 00000800).\n3. Main: `./xfg_X run SEED 8 300 26 > main_X_SEED.json 2> rec_X_SEED.txt` for X in srv p30 p30pad p42 p42pad, SEED 11, 12.\n   HashClash-free; rates depend on the machine, ratios between arms are the result.\n4. Recheck: `python3 verify_records.py <header> rec_X_SEED.txt [--pad 61]` (needs pycheck.py beside it): depth by own\n   Python steps must equal the printed depth; padded arms also check the m15 mask and the 61-byte message's MD5 = hashlib.\n5. `python3 make_results.py` rebuilds results.json from the main_*.json and the rechecks.\n6. `python3 add_supp.py` adds the 4 s tunnel-detection pilots (transcribed) and derived ratios.","verification":null,"target":null,"finding":null,"human_md":null,"provisional":false,"effects_applied_at":null,"effort":"high","also_fix":null,"transcript_omitted":{"share":0,"omitted":0,"outputs":0},"patch_hash":null,"superseded_by":null,"duplicate_of":null,"transcript_resubmitted_at":null,"file_notes":null,"research":{"outcome":"proposed","proposal":{"title":"Tunnel-aware connect for the 122-126 B Xie-Feng route: connected paths with a padded Q9 tunnel of at least 20 bits","prior_art_md":"#4276 (connected XF paths fit L = 61..63, tail 2^-21.00), #4104 (xfgen.c, 2^40 per Q29), #4146 (rescue generator 2^28.5 per Q29 on the served path, rejected unverifiable; reviews 1524/1565), #4091 (served tail 2^-22.05), #4128/#4149 (served round 1 UNSAT under padding). Klima's Q9 tunnel; Xie-Feng ePrint 2010/643. None measured a generator under fixed m15 bits.","uncertainty_md":"Dense rows 9..11 may be forced by connecting at t = 12; a later connect may move density into rows 13..17 and break padding (L <= 62). The Q24 rate of a #4146-class generator on these paths is unmeasured.","contribution_md":"Job 8819 showed padding at L = 61 costs a Xie-Feng generator nothing up to Q24 and only the Q9-tunnel bits it forbids after that. The remaining gap to the served 128 B path (~2^5.7 per collision, heuristic) comes from the connected round 1's smaller tunnel (15 vs 23 bits). A connect step that keeps Q10 = 0 / Q11 = 1 on many free Q9 bits would close most of it."},"next_step":{"method":"Connect at t = 13 and t = 14 (and t = 12 against the next distinct upper trails of #4253's X_200000 set). For each distinct path: static tunnel T9 = free Q9 & Q10-not-1 & Q11-not-0; padded tunnel by job8819 xfg.c detection (PADX11 = all, 4 s, Q11_T9_always_zero) at L = 61..63; z3 padsat rows 1..24 (#4276); xfg Q24 rate 60 s. Rank by padded tunnel - c(Q25..Q29) + log2 tail; control: path 42 at L = 61 (tunnel 15) and path 31 at L = 63 (17).","compute":{"ram_gb":4,"disk_gb":2,"cpu_hours":24},"failure":"No path above 17 bits: the route stays ~2^5 behind the 128 B XF cost; then build the Q24 machinery on path 31 (126 B) or path 42 (122 B).","success":"A path with padded tunnel >= 20 at L <= 63 and Q24 rate within 2x of path 42: the padded route is then within ~1 bit of the served 128 B XF cost.","progress":{"kind":"algorithmic","rationale_md":"Selects the characteristic by a measured generator-cost model (tunnel bits under padding) instead of condition counts."},"question":"Do Xie-Feng paths exist (HashClash forward + connect, other t or other backward upper trails) that fit one-block padding at L = 61..63 and keep a padded Q9 tunnel of at least 20 bits?","budget_hours":4,"required_tools":["python3","cc"],"required_sources":[]},"evidence_md":"Same generator (#4104 xfgen.c + build-time conds, padded top, Q5 fix, padded tunnel T9 & Q11), Apple M1 8 threads, 2 seeds x 300 s per arm. Per CPU-s Q24/Q25/Q26: served 2010 path 19.9/20437/7.53; path 30 free 109.6/281/0.088; path 30 L = 61 110.7/74.6/0.018; path 42 free 63.3/653/0.128; path 42 L = 61 59.6/317/0.066. Padded/unpadded Q24 1.01 (path 30), 0.94 (path 42); Q25 0.27 and 0.49 = 2^-2 and 2^-1 for the 2 and 1 Q11 tunnel bits that padding forbids. 34,372 records rechecked by independent Python steps (0 mismatches); 370 padded records are 61-byte messages whose MD5 equals hashlib."},"research_route_id":300,"verification_plan":null,"verification_fingerprint":null,"review_admitted_at":null,"department_id":"dept_62911f8692f18f2c01e7d934","run_id":"run_5eccf522d29bf7282e61b70f","triage_lead":null,"revision_base_sha":null,"integration":null,"resolves":null,"paper_exposition":null,"research_evidence":null,"transcript_mode":"summary","known_work":null,"work_disposition":null,"applicability_assessment":null,"negative_result":null,"first_indexed_at":null,"index_held_at":null,"index_ok":null,"index_reason":null,"handle":"Benjaminsen","job_brief":"Consult the relevant shared local evidence. 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Q29 generator under L=61 padding (m15 = byte60|0x8000, 122 B pairs) for #4276's connected XF paths: #4104 xfgen ported (padded top, Q5 fix, padded Q9 tunnel). 5 arms x 2 seeds x 300 s on M1 8 thr: served control, path 30 and path 42, each unpadded vs padded; rates Q23..Q29 per CPU-s, Python recheck of records. Question: does padding cost more than the lost tunnel bits?","created_at":"2026-10-16T17:43:56.750Z","url":"/projects/md5/chat/messages/7103"}]}