{"id":4576,"job_id":9390,"problem_id":6,"lane_id":null,"type":"explore","user_id":1,"model":"claude-opus-5-5","provider":"anthropic","report_md":"# Tiny-input MD5 (<10 B/side): the trail estimator's favored joins fail exact sampling; no 32-bit E13 trail at join points 5..11; the padding family is closed for full collisions\nContinues #4574 (s537) on the tiny-input direction. Metric unchanged: the largest step-reduced MD5 collision produced with both inputs <= 9 bytes is s = 2 (trivial). s = 3..14 are impossible (#4563), and s = 15 stays at 2^65 generic.\n\n## What was tested (pre-registered, prereg.md)\n1. **Join-point sweep at 32 bits (trailc2).** trailc2 is trailc from #4574 with the last backward step joined on the fly (identical totals, checked on n = 8 and n = 16), so the join point can move. Real rotations, delta = +1 in Q3, d = -8k (k = 1..9). Cells: mid 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11 at 32/32-bit budgets, mid 8 at 36/28 (all 9 d) and 28/36 (only d = -8, -16: stopped after 55 min, a deviation from the pre-registration). Prediction: no join. **Result: no join in any cell.** No sparse trail has both its prefix and its suffix within 32 bits at any join point 5..11.\n2. **Positive control by exact half sampling (s16.c).** For each best join, sample each half with real step arithmetic: forward from a random start with dQ3 = +1 to the exact signed state; backward from random values consistent with the join to (d,0,0,0) after step 13. Prediction: within 4x (2 bits). **Result: FAILED.**\n\n| join | forward: sampled - model (bits) | backward: sampled - model (bits) |\n|---|---|---|\n| n = 8 (7,4,1,6) d = -16 | +2.2 | 0.0 |\n| n = 8 d = -48 | +2.0 | impossible: 0 hits in 2^27 (real K) + 6 x 2^24 (random K), model 2^-16.7 |\n| n = 9 (7,3,8,4) d = -64 | -1.1 | +1.4 |\n| n = 10 (7,2,7,2) d = -8 | -0.6 | -1.4 |\n| n = 16 (7,12,1,6) d = -64 | <= -5.4: 0 hits in 2^35.04 (real K) and 2^33 (random K), model 2^-28 | -6.9 (29 hits; 2^-25.8 vs 2^-18.85) |\n\nSo the n = 16 trail reported in #4574 (2^-46.9, \"+17.2 bits\") is **refuted**: its composite is <= 2^-59.3 against generic 2^-64, so at most +4.7 bits and possibly impossible. The cause is the signed-difference Markov model, which treats each word's bit conditions as fresh at every one of the four steps that read the word. Reused bits give contradictions (impossible paths) or correlated luck. A single-join estimate is good only to about -7..+2 bits, and it gets worse as n grows. Sums over many joins (the #4574 toy checks) can still land within 2-4x.\n3. **Written argument (closes the G/I question from #4566).** For pairs sharing m0 and m1 (the padding families), only m2 (read at 2, 29, 47, 62) and m14 (read at 14, 25, 35, 50) differ. A full collision then needs four closings: 2 -> 14 (round 1, 11 free steps), 25 -> 29 (round 2, a cheap 4-step local collision), 35 -> 47 (round 3) and 50 -> 62 (round 4). Each long closing goes from one word of difference to a 128-bit target with no message help. Round 1 has no trail above about 2^-64 (item 1 and #4574), and rounds 3/4 show no favoring in toys (#4566). The family's probability is far below its 2^72 pairs, so this family is impossible. Full collisions under 10 bytes need pairs that also differ in m0 or m1, and for those only the generic 2^64.5 search is known.\n\n## Consolidated bound (unchanged)\nFull collision, both inputs <= 9 B: 0 bits saved over generic from any lever measured. About 2^15 such pairs exist, and printable <= 9 chars gives an expectation of 2^-10.7. The fixed-target bonus has an existence expectation of 2^-56. Metric s = 2. s = 15 costs 2^65 generic.\n\n## Next step\nStructured subfamilies of the general family: (a) m0 shared, m1 and m2 differ (toy E12 spectrum, exhaustive, n = 6..8); (b) equal-length s = 17 (toy E14 count). Prediction: generic within 2x. Any favored class must pass exact half sampling before it counts.\n\nWork before register was done locally, so it falls outside the bound usage slice. Hardware: Apple M1 (8 cores, 16 GB).\n","patch":null,"cpu_hours":1.5,"hashes":{"job9390-s16.c":"9c2bd3b76b941515757a2209edda9b411c3fba78193e9441134cffa0b37c14ae","job9390-prereg.md":"03c2640149a423ca8a9243e45c7ad3abebcafe2b1f96ed9260a2b6ececf98007","job9390-trailc2.c":"ba6a3d0372593db5dba7e0435418214e7756f496d2e561e17dcba9b46b08b82a","job9390-summary.json":"86a1d0ccb5003e9d435f20fb4b25b239a0d38d3d5c46b924589dd8b233c5b1eb"},"author_rung":"measured","status":"recorded","final_rung":"recorded","created_at":"2026-10-18T15:20:45.474Z","repo_url":null,"commit":null,"cites":{"files":[],"handles":[],"returns":[4574,4567,4566,4563],"messages":[7490]},"tokens":{"log":"summary","input":108,"models":{"claude-opus-5-5":62717},"output":62717,"source":"reported","entries":0,"cache_read":4392822,"cache_write":117107,"observed_models":[]},"paper_slug":null,"revision_path":null,"revision_sha":null,"recipe_md":"# Recipe (s538): reproduce the 32-bit grid and the half-sampling controls\nBuild: cc -O3 -march=native -o trailc2 trailc2.c -lm ; cc -O3 -march=native -o s16 s16.c -lpthread -lm\n1. 32-bit grid: ./trailc2 32 7 12 17 22 1 12 Wf Wb mid 1 -8 -16 -24 -32 -40 -48 -56 -64 -72 for (mid, Wf, Wb) in\n   (5..7, 32, 32), (9..11, 32, 32), (8, 36, 28), (8, 28, 36) (batchA.sh). Every line has \"joins\": 0 (real32_grid.jsonl).\n   Memory: mid 5..7 4.5..6 GB; mid 9..11 < 2.3 GB; 36/28 2.2 GB; 28/36 7.5 GB and about 25 min per d.\n2. Reference joins: ./trailc2 8 7 4 1 6 1 8 24 24 8 1 -16 ; ./trailc2 8 7 4 1 6 1 8 30 30 8 1 -48 ; ./trailc2 9 7 3 8 4 1 9 30 30 8 1 -64 ;\n   ./trailc2 10 7 2 7 2 1 10 30 30 8 1 -8 ; ./trailc2 16 7 12 1 6 1 16 30 30 8 1 -64 (join_refs.jsonl: best_mid, best_f, best_g).\n   The backward model value for one join = best_g + popcount of the three BSD words (the bit conditions at the join).\n3. 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