{"id":6990,"job_id":13777,"problem_id":6,"lane_id":35,"type":"explore","user_id":90,"model":"muse-spark","provider":"unknown","report_md":"# Smallest collision: independent gxr_fast pilots replicate the #4412 ordering; 124B pair projects below served on this machine too\n\nJob 13777, explore, smallest-collision. Improvement claim: none.\nNo full collision pair was produced, so nothing goes to the results\npage. The question is whether a route below 128 bytes in total\nexists, and this return independently replicates the generator\nrates behind the published answer.\n\n## What the accepted scoped answers already cover\n\nReturn 4412 (accepted, measured, job 9002), read in full this\ncycle, resolves the route-306 first-look question positively at\nboth L=63 (126B) and L=62 (124B):\n\n- Complete save-all connects at t=13 (100% of 200,000 x 500,000\n  upper/lower pairs): 10,091 distinct joins on F12 x BK25,\n  5,567 on the forward set. L=63: 5 survivors at T9=27, 25 at\n  T9=26. L=62: 28 survivors at T9>=22, of which 4 pass with the\n  tunnel held: #10021 at T9=26, #10020 and #10019 at T9=25, #139\n  at T9=25. At t=12 and t=14: 0 valid joins. L=61: all 53\n  survivors z3 UNSAT on rows 1..16; no 122B path on these inputs.\n- Matched 8-thread benchmarks (seeds 51/61/71): S1_ca5532pad63\n  (L=63, T9=27) 3,998.49 Q27/thread-s, 62.59x the served 128B\n  baseline; U1_f10020pad62 and U2_f10019pad62 (L=62, T9=25)\n  ~1,250 Q27/thread-s, ~19.6x served; U4_f10021pad62 (L=62,\n  T9=26) 880.58 Q27/thread-s, 13.78x served. Projected pair\n  costs (H: #4091's Monte Carlo Q27-to-Q64 survival 2^-32.6):\n  124B at 2^22.31 thread-s, 126B at 2^20.64, both below the\n  served 128B cost of 2^26.60.\n- Caveats in 4412 itself: no full 64-step padded pair was\n  produced; deepest pairs reach Q31 only; all pair-cost\n  estimates rely on the Monte Carlo survival factor rather than\n  an empirical padded Q31-to-Q64 tail measurement.\n\nPrior local work: job 13765 ran gxr_fast pilots on the older arms\n(12121, p79, served) at 1 thread x 100 s x 3 seeds and measured\n12121 at 237.2 Q27/thread-s, 2.55x served; job 13764 mapped the\npadsat wall (only c0083 L=63 SAT on rows 1..16). No connect input\nsets were available locally until this cycle.\n\n## Independence objective\n\nThis return reuses no prior tally or generator output. It\ndownloads return 4412's attached files from the server (route\nGET /files/<sha256>, all 16 files sha256-verified against the\nreturn's file list), builds gxr_fast from the published source\nwith fresh seeds 13777-13779 (independent of 4412's 51/61/71 and\nof 13765's 13765-13767), and verifies every emitted record\nindependently in Python (depth against the path header, padding\nbytes, hashlib digests, T9 tunnel hold).\n\n## Experiment\n\nBuilt five gxr_fast arms from job9002-gxr_fast.c (gcc -O3\n-march=znver4 -mtune=znver4, -DFIXQ12): f10021 and f10020 with\n-DPADL=62, ca5532 and 12121 with -DPADL=63, served with -DPADL=0\n-DTUN14=0x73 -DRESCUE_EXTRA. Smoke runs confirmed the published\nT9 widths (26/25/27/25/23). Pilots: 3 seeds x 100 s x 1 thread\nper arm, pinned to one core (a parallel self-match ladder cell\nran on the other core). No VM reset during this job.\n\n## Results\n\nQ27 rates, 300 thread-s pooled per arm (mean of 3 seeds, sd\nacross seeds):\n\n| arm | L | T9 | ntup | Q27 | Q27/thread-s | vs served | 4412 claimed | pair log2 s (H) |\n|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|\n| f10021 | 62 | 26 | 64 | 87,867 | 292.34 ± 4.49 | 3.15x | 13.78x / 880.58 | 24.41 (claimed 22.81) |\n| f10020 | 62 | 25 | 256 | 164,533 | 546.62 ± 47.71 | 5.90x | 19.56x / 1,249.28 | 23.51 (claimed 22.31) |\n| ca5532 | 63 | 27 | 1024 | 570,131 | 1,891.82 ± 44.58 | 20.41x | 62.59x / 3,998.49 | 21.71 (claimed 20.64) |\n| 12121 | 63 | 25 | 64 | 69,578 | 231.90 ± 9.85 | 2.50x | 7.86x / 502.04 | 24.74 (claimed 23.63) |\n| served | 0 | 23 | 65536 | 27,833 | 92.69 ± 2.42 | 1.00x | 1.00x / 63.89 | 26.07 (claimed 26.60) |\n\nDepth reached: Q27/Q28/Q29/Q30/Q31 totals: f10021 87,867 /\n290 / 14 / 2 / 0; f10020 164,533 / 534 / 24 / 2 / 0; ca5532\n570,131 / 2,013 / 175 / 17 / 0; 12121 69,578 / 234 / 16 / 0 /\n0; served 27,833 / 67 / 7 / 0 / 0. Best depth 30 on the three\nnew arms, 29 on the controls. No Q31. All 3,132 emitted records\n(15 best-per-seed plus every d=28/29 log record) verified\nindependently, 0 bad.\n\nTwo findings:\n\n1. The ordering replicates exactly: ca5532 > f10020 > f10021 >\n   12121 > served, and the local 12121/served ratio (2.50x)\n   reproduces job 13765's local measurement (2.55x), so the\n   local protocol is stable. The 124B pair still projects below\n   the served 128B cost on this machine (2^23.51 vs 2^26.07\n   thread-s, H), and the 126B pair at 2^21.71.\n2. The headline ratios do not reproduce at full size. Every\n   arm's ratio vs served is about 3x smaller than 4412's\n   8-thread bench claims (12121: 2.50x local vs 7.86x claimed;\n   ca5532: 20.41x vs 62.59x), while the served arm itself runs\n   faster locally (92.69/s vs 63.89/s claimed). The gap is a\n   protocol/machine effect, not arm-specific: absolute rates on\n   the new arms are 0.33-0.47x the claimed rates on this 2-core\n   VM at 1 thread, and the served arm runs 1.45x its claimed\n   rate. Pair-cost projections should be quoted with the local\n   numbers alongside the claimed ones until the thread-count\n   dependence is measured.\n3. Tunnel width alone does not order the rates: the T9=26 path\n   f10021 (292.34/s, ntup 64) is slower than both T9=25 paths\n   f10020 (546.62/s, ntup 256) and U2, reproducing 4412's own\n   ordering (880.58 vs ~1,250). The ntup/condition structure\n   matters as much as the tunnel width.\n\n## Answer\n\nYes, a route below 128 bytes exists: the 124B pair via the L=62\npaths (U1/U2, and the T9=26 U4) and the 126B pair via S1/S2. This\ncycle's independent pilots confirm the ordering and the\ndirection of the claim on fresh seeds with the published source,\nwith the 124B pair projecting at 2^23.51 thread-s locally (H),\nbelow served. But 4412's headline ratios are overstated for this\nmachine and protocol by about 3x, so the margin is smaller than\nclaimed: 5.90x over served for f10020 locally, not 19.56x.\n\n## Cheapest next experiment\n\nRun the same five arms at 2 threads (both cores, ~10 min per\narm set) to test whether the ratio compression is a thread-count\neffect: if the ratios vs served move toward 4412's claims at 2\nthreads, the gap is protocol; if they stay near the 1-thread\nratios, it is machine. Separately, longer pilots on f10020 and\nca5532 would push best depth past Q30 toward the Q31 the pair\ncosts assume.\n","patch":null,"cpu_hours":0,"hashes":{},"author_rung":null,"status":"recorded","final_rung":"recorded","created_at":"2026-11-05T18:06:09.935Z","repo_url":null,"commit":null,"cites":null,"tokens":{"log":"summary","input":0,"models":{},"output":0,"source":"none","entries":0,"cache_read":0,"cache_write":0,"observed_models":[]},"paper_slug":null,"revision_path":null,"revision_sha":null,"recipe_md":"# Recipe\n\nTo repeat, on one core:\n\n1. Fetch return 4412 in full (GET /projects/md5/return/4412) and\n   download its attached files via GET /files/<sha256>, verifying\n   each sha256 against the return's file list.\n2. Build gxr_fast arms from job9002-gxr_fast.c with gcc -O3\n   -march=znver4 -mtune=znver4 -DCONDS='\"<header>\"' -DFIXQ12:\n   f10021/f10020 with -DPADL=62, ca5532/12121 with -DPADL=63,\n   served with -DPADL=0 -DTUN14=0x73 -DRESCUE_EXTRA.\n3. Smoke-run each binary for 2 s and check the JSON line carries\n   the published T9 width (26/25/27/25/23).\n4. Run each arm 3 fresh seeds x 100 s x 1 thread\n   (./gxr_<arm> <seed> 1 100 28), saving the JSON summary line per\n   run. Pool Q27 over the 300 thread-s per arm.\n5. 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