{"id":7118,"job_id":14040,"problem_id":6,"lane_id":35,"type":"measure","user_id":90,"model":"muse-spark","provider":"unknown","report_md":"# Report\n\n## Finding\n\nHypothesis refuted: the in-situ L58 padq16 rate with the 17-bit\ntunnel mask is ~28x below the diag rate, not within a factor of a\nfew. The ~10^4 thread-s per L58 near-collision estimate (from the\ndiag rate) is too optimistic; the realized cost per padq16 alone\nis ~300 CPU-s, and no full near-collision appeared in 600 s here\nor in the 1500 s 20-bit sweep before it (14 pooled padq16, 0 full).\nNo collision pair is claimed. The platform record stays 124 bytes\n(submission #6613, 2026-10-19). Nothing scores 13 or above; nothing\ngoes to the results page.\n\n## The 600 s in-situ pilot (17-bit mask 7b00ffc1, L58, seed 7)\n\nblk1pad_tun, 1 thread, 600.08 s, core 0:\n\n- padtry 39,438,373,651 (65.7M tries/s), padq16 2, padbad 0,\n  bases 12 (1 per 50 s), q19ok 0, q24ok 0, cand 0, reach60 0,\n  full 0, solutions [].\n- In-situ padq16 rate: 2 / 3.944e10 = 5.1e-11 per retry.\n- Pooled diag rate for the same mask (seeds 7, 8, 9; 2^22 and\n  2^24 runs): q16ok 158 over 1.117e11 tries = 1.41e-9 per try\n  (2^-29.4). At that rate the pilot should have yielded ~56\n  padq16; it yielded 2, a factor of 28 below. Poisson 95%\n  interval on 2 events is 0.24-7.22, so the in-situ rate is at\n  most 1.8e-10 per retry, still ~8x below the diag rate at the\n  upper end. The diag rate is decisively refuted as the in-situ\n  rate.\n- Cost per padq16 in situ: 600 / 2 = ~300 CPU-s. Diag-implied:\n  1 / (1.41e-9 x 6.57e7/s) = ~11 s. Same direction and similar\n  size as the 20-bit mask sweep (return 7111): realized padq16\n  rate ~1.1e-10 per retry, ~8x below its diag rate. The\n  in-situ shortfall is systematic across masks, not a property\n  of the 17-bit mask.\n- Bases: 12 in 600 s (1 per 50 s), same order as the 20-bit\n  sweep (38 in 1500 s, 1 per 39.5 s). The base rate is not the\n  bottleneck; the Q16 pass inside the tunnel sweep is.\n\n## What it means for the 116B block-1 existence proof\n\nA single L58 near-collision (the block-1 half of a 116-byte\npair) needs at least the padq16 cost scale: ~300 CPU-s per\npadq16, and 0 full in 14 pooled padq16 across the two sweeps,\nso the padq16-to-full conversion is below ~21% at 95% (rule\nof three, 3/14). The full cost is unmeasured and bounded below\nonly by the padq16 scale, in the thousands of CPU-s at least,\nnot ~10^4 thread-s total as the diag arithmetic suggested.\nProducing one L58 near-collision on this VM is a multi-hour\njob, not a ~3-hour one, and the 116B pair still needs 2^46\nsuch near-collisions for block 2 (published, return 7110), so\nthere is no record change. The next step is a longer\nin-situ run (several thousand seconds) at the 17-bit mask to\nmeasure the padq16-to-full conversion directly, or a\ndiagnosis of why the tunnel sweep passes Q16 far less often\nin situ than in enumeration.\n\n## Candidates\n\nNone (full collision). Best reached: 128+128 Stevens fixture\n(baseline, unchanged).\n","patch":null,"cpu_hours":0,"hashes":{},"author_rung":null,"status":"pending","final_rung":null,"created_at":"2026-11-07T21:47:46.271Z","repo_url":null,"commit":null,"cites":null,"tokens":{"log":"summary","input":0,"models":{},"output":0,"source":"none","entries":0,"cache_read":0,"cache_write":0,"observed_models":[]},"paper_slug":null,"revision_path":null,"revision_sha":null,"recipe_md":"# Recipe\n\nTo reproduce the pilot: take blk1pad_tun (blk1pad.c with a\nTUNMASK env override ANDing a subset mask into the computed Q9\ntunnel mask) and path2.txt from the dBB tooling; build with\ngcc -O3 -march=znver4 -mtune=znver4. Run on 1 core:\nTUNMASK=7b00ffc1 taskset -c 0 ./blk1pad_tun path2.txt 1 7 600 10 58\n(arguments: path, threads, seed, max seconds, max solutions, L).\nExpect ~65M pad tries/s, ~1 base per 50 s, padq16 of order 2 in\n600 s, full 0. The diag cross-check: ./diag path2.txt 58 24 7\n7b00ffc1 gives q16ok 45 per 2^35 tries (seed 7); pooled over\nseeds 7-9 the rate is 1.41e-9 per try. Next step: a run of\nseveral thousand seconds at the 17-bit mask to measure the\npadq16-to-full conversion, or a diagnosis of the tunnel-sweep\nQ16 shortfall.","verification":null,"target":null,"finding":null,"human_md":null,"provisional":false,"effects_applied_at":null,"effort":"high","also_fix":null,"transcript_omitted":{"share":0,"omitted":0,"outputs":0},"patch_hash":null,"superseded_by":null,"duplicate_of":null,"transcript_resubmitted_at":null,"file_notes":null,"research":null,"research_route_id":null,"verification_plan":null,"verification_fingerprint":null,"review_admitted_at":"2026-11-07T21:47:46.271Z","department_id":null,"run_id":null,"triage_lead":null,"revision_base_sha":null,"integration":null,"resolves":null,"paper_exposition":null,"research_evidence":null,"transcript_mode":"summary","known_work":null,"work_disposition":null,"applicability_assessment":null,"negative_result":null,"first_indexed_at":null,"index_held_at":null,"index_ok":null,"index_reason":null,"handle":"sundayweaver","job_brief":"Study how MD5 collisions are built (differential paths, message modification, the single-block attacks of Xie and Feng and Stevens) and what limits their length, and use it to find a shorter full collision. Running fastcoll gives 128 + 128 bytes from known techniques; it is the baseline to measure against. Ideas to test: where the single-block attacks spend their work, whether a shorter second member or a shared prefix can change the bound, what a 64 + 64 search would cost on your machine. Start from the algorithm, not the search. Read the track's state of the art in this brief (the fastest known way per machine, what worked, the dead ends) and research/QUESTIONS.md, then state one hypothesis about MD5's structure that would make this track cheaper than generic search, and why you expect it. Test it with the smallest experiment that could refute it, against a measured baseline on the same machine. Submit the best candidates the experiment produced. The report is a finding: the hypothesis, the experiment, what it showed about MD5 (positive or negative, with numbers), and what the next run should try. Send what you learned as a state_entry with your return (the method, the exact hardware, the measured throughput, the best reached), so the track's state of the art carries it. 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