{"id":2272,"job_id":4923,"problem_id":1,"lane_id":32,"type":"explore","user_id":1,"model":"deepseek-v4-flash","provider":"deepseek","report_md":"# Job #4923 — route 184 first look: seeds 4165/4166 and the route-171 independent-thinning control\n\nOutcome: **inconclusive**. The orthogonal level statistic reproduces and has power, but the route's own\npre-registered validation control does not isolate it, and the route's stored success and failure\nclauses are keyed on the same control condition with opposite conclusions.\n\n## What was run\n\nRoute 184's registered next step, exactly, with `newstat_p.py` (run-2026-10-04-p) imported\n**unchanged** and `n4_run.py` (run-2026-10-04-o) imported read-only. Nine cases: three configs\n{x = 2^17 (alpha), x = 2^20 (alpha), x = 2^16 beta U=10} × seeds {4164, 4165, 4166}, 200 draws each.\nAdded reading `T` = route 171's matched independent-thinning control (return #1937,\n`run_length_law.py`): the same observed values placed **uniformly at random** over the same range\n(density fixed, within-class arithmetic destroyed), reporting `z_level` under it.\n\nAnchoring: at seed 4164 the N4 readings reproduce #2265/#2267 to the last digit\n(e.g. x=2^17 N4u `z_amp` = -0.31727074496469126, `z_level` = -5.163894906509785), so the N4 path is\nnot perturbed by the augmentation.\n\n## Result table (N4u vs the thinning control)\n\n| x | cfg | seed | N4u z_amp | N4u z_level | T (thinning) z_level |\n|---|---|---|---|---|---|\n| 131072 | 14,14,1,1 | 4164 | -0.317 | -5.164 | -5.513 |\n| 131072 | 14,14,1,1 | 4165 | -0.133 | -4.668 | -5.830 |\n| 131072 | 14,14,1,1 | 4166 | -0.014 | -4.780 | -5.232 |\n| 1048576 | 14,14,1,1 | 4164 | -0.179 | -3.313 | -5.994 |\n| 1048576 | 14,14,1,1 | 4165 | -0.222 | -3.969 | -5.403 |\n| 1048576 | 14,14,1,1 | 4166 | -0.216 | -3.401 | -6.521 |\n| 65536 | 10,10,1,1 | 4164 | -0.025 | -3.006 | -4.791 |\n| 65536 | 10,10,1,1 | 4165 | -0.359 | -3.062 | -4.876 |\n| 65536 | 10,10,1,1 | 4166 | -0.340 | -3.211 | -4.843 |\n\n## Findings\n\n1. **The level statistic reproduces.** At the two further seeds it stays |z_level| >= 3 in every one\n   of the 9 cases, negative and sign-stable across seeds; the rank-1 cloud (`var_share1 >= 0.9999`)\n   and the registered amplitude's blindness (|z_amp| < 2 in 9/9) are unchanged. `newstat_p.py` is not\n   a single-seed resolution-floor effect.\n2. **The matched control does not isolate the signal.** Independent thinning leaves |z_level| in\n   [4.79, 6.52] — below the 3 threshold in **0/9** cases. It does not merely fail to remove the level\n   displacement; it makes the observed level *more* extreme. So the level signal is **not**\n   attributable to within-class divisibility placement: uniform random placement of the same value\n   multiset reproduces (indeed strengthens) it.\n3. **The pre-registration is not decidable as written.** Route 184's stored `next_step.success`\n   requires the thinning control to give |z_level| < 3; its `failure` fires when `z_level` \"collapses\n   below 3 under independent thinning\" or fails to reproduce. Both clauses therefore key on the same\n   thinning condition with opposite conclusions, so neither outcome can be read off the run. The\n   observed control reading contradicts the `success` branch, which is the substantive negative.\n4. **Interpretation (bounded, labelled).** The statistic is a genuine, reproducible outlier functional\n   (the observed uniform component is extreme relative to both nulls), but the control shows it is not\n   specific to the arithmetic placement the route wanted to detect. This supports the route's own\n   flagged central uncertainty — the displacement may be a normalisation offset of the residual\n   construction rather than a placement signal — and means the level statistic is **not yet** a\n   matched-control-validated replacement for route 31's registered amplitude clause.\n\n## Scope and rungs\n\nFinite, measured: 9 cases at x <= 2^20, 200 draws, seeds {4164, 4165, 4166}, one control design.\nThe statistic and its calibration are measured; the arithmetic interpretation is **not** supported.\nNo asymptotic statement. `check_t.py`: **33/33, exit 0**. Two representative cases' full null moments\n(level obs / null_mean / null_sd) are in `diag_t.py` output and `diag_*.json`.\n\n## Next experiment design (for a corrected pre-registration)\n\nThe decisive missing check is a **calibration null-of-null**: treat each N4 draw in turn as the\n\"observed\" grid and recompute `z_level` against the remaining draws, under N4 and under thinning. If\npseudo-observed `z_level` is itself outlier-extreme, the PC1-orthogonalisation/centring is\nmiscalibrated and the reading is a construction artefact; if it is not, the level direction carries\nstructure the thinning control does not remove and the route can be re-aimed. This is cheap\n(python3 only, no new data) and is recorded as the obstacle's `revisit_when`, not as this route's\nnext step, because the route's own pre-registration must first be repaired to separate its success\nand failure branches.\n","patch":null,"cpu_hours":0.06,"hashes":{"run_t.py":"e33e7a90594e74016d9ec918da06646d108c1e57cd304208e2d57b8edf7973d4","diag_t.py":"09b639c75cfe7d88987f475d9190077b075f5b43f80ab6b5b260a168231305a1","check_t.py":"0e63232966a5d17b2de30796991d14e0dfac721b1a36fe2e451af75f841f0b24","sweep_t.py":"3da57582b464581af3979ee46639beca4855b0dcc295a2012e736a2f2e2da825","check_t.out":"4d490583e43f06709055c1032b432ca1f0e92bf4fd8d2504270651e7c4a28e3a","report_t.md":"7ffdf88165f1fee7f8798f2c071795228997cfb87aa5626132001b4383642f6d","results_t.json":"258dff4f052f224e486632b3d6c1621c5edef88da4a7bd554b433efe9767c30b"},"author_rung":"measured","status":"recorded","final_rung":"recorded","created_at":"2026-10-04T08:42:14.604Z","repo_url":null,"commit":null,"cites":{"files":["a74825d84e5421eb330d6b54f93029a0aebdc2fd5120fce02ab5d6d857545b56","3907b1518b8bc0133b09f1cd2f28a39f3fff62fc5ded2d522c4016b67cbffce4","a53c50266370a779c75d3e2d7b3d93603425ad2d9dcdc68801ea353a2b62f1c8","5dfbf655f05a440f9f5630ac3ce8edd37b9e22377908b1e83c48956cc77309e6"],"handles":[],"returns":[1937,2021,2265,2267],"messages":[]},"tokens":{"log":"custom","input":0,"models":{"deepseek-v4-flash":0},"output":0,"source":"none","entries":0,"cache_read":0,"cache_write":0,"observed_models":["deepseek-v4-flash"]},"paper_slug":null,"revision_path":null,"revision_sha":null,"recipe_md":"python3 check_t.py   # stdlib only, offline; reads the 9 t_<x>_<cfg>_<seed>.json and asserts N4 anchoring to #2265/#2267, |z_amp|<2 and |z_level|>=3 in 9/9, rank-1 cloud, seed-stable sign, and the thinning control's outcome; exit 0 iff 33/33.\nReproduce one case (needs run-2026-10-04-o/work/served/ and run-2026-10-04-p/work/): python3 run_t.py --x 131072 --cfg 14,14,1,1 --seed 4165 --out t.json\nFull grid: python3 sweep_t.py   # ~8 min, 4 readings per case\nReference control implementation: <origin>/files/5dfbf655f05a440f9f5630ac3ce8edd37b9e22377908b1e83c48956cc77309e6?raw=1 (route 171 #1937).","verification":null,"target":null,"finding":null,"human_md":null,"provisional":false,"effects_applied_at":null,"effort":null,"also_fix":null,"transcript_omitted":{"share":0,"omitted":0,"outputs":0},"patch_hash":null,"superseded_by":null,"duplicate_of":null,"transcript_resubmitted_at":null,"file_notes":null,"research":{"outcome":"inconclusive","obstacle":{"kind":"scoped_obstruction","evidence":"check_t.out (33/33, exit 0): 9/9 N4u |z_level| >= 3, 9/9 |z_amp| < 2, 9/9 var_share1 >= 0.9999, seed-stable level sign, 0/9 thinning |z_level| < 3. Files: check_t.py, check_t.out, run_t.py, sweep_t.py, results_t.json (9 cases + 2 full-moment dumps), diag_t.py.","statement":"The route's first-look pre-registration is not decidable as written and its success branch is contradicted by its own control. Route 184's stored next_step.success requires the independent-thinning control to give |z_level| < 3, while next_step.failure fires on z_level 'collapsing below 3 under independent thinning' -- the same thinning condition with opposite conclusions. Measured: the N4 level statistic reproduces (|z_level| >= 3 in 9/9 cases, seed-stable, PC1 still blind |z_amp| < 2), but the thinning control leaves |z_level| in [4.79, 6.52] (below 3 in 0/9): uniform random placement of the same value multiset does not remove the level displacement, it strengthens it. Hence the level direction is not established as an arithmetic, within-class-specific signal, and is not a matched-control-validated replacement for route 31's registered amplitude clause.","assumptions":"The control faithfully implements route 171's #1937 construction (same values/occupancy placed uniformly at random). newstat_p.py is reused unchanged and reproduces #2265/#2267 exactly at seed 4164 along the N4 path. 200 draws; the comparison is z_level under N4 (within-class permutation mod P_U) vs under a single uniform permutation. Whether a control preserving a different first-order structure would behave differently is untested.","revisit_when":"When a corrected pre-registration separates the success and failure branches AND adds a calibration null-of-null: treat each N4 draw in turn as the observed grid and recompute z_level against the remaining draws, under N4 and under thinning. If pseudo-observed z_level is itself outlier-extreme the PC1-orthogonalisation/centring is miscalibrated and the reading is a construction artefact; if it is not, the level direction carries structure the thinning control does not remove and route 184 can be re-aimed."},"route_id":184,"depends_on":[1937,2002,2021,2265,2267],"evidence_md":"# Evidence - job #4923 (route 184 first look): seeds + the route-171 thinning control\n\nRoute 184's registered next experiment, run with `newstat_p.py` (run-2026-10-04-p) imported\nUNCHANGED and `n4_run.py` (run-2026-10-04-o) read-only. Nine cases: {x=2^17, 2^20 alpha cfg\n14,14,1,1; x=2^16 beta U=10 cfg 10,10,1,1} x seeds {4164,4165,4166}, 200 draws. Added reading T =\nroute 171's matched independent-thinning control (return #1937 `run_length_law.py`): the same values\nplaced uniformly at random over the same range, density fixed, within-class arithmetic destroyed.\n\nAnchoring: at seed 4164 N4u reproduces #2265/#2267 to the last digit (x=2^17 z_amp\n-0.31727074496469126, z_level -5.163894906509785; x=2^20 -0.17943991737016826 / -3.313358953042268;\nbeta -0.025406540266927825 / -3.0057637077884434).\n\nN4u (within-class permutation): |z_level| >= 3 in 9/9, negative, sign-stable across seeds; |z_amp| < 2\nin 9/9; var_share1 >= 0.9999 in 9/9; |w.u1| ~ 0.62. Table of z_level: x=2^17 -5.164/-4.668/-4.780;\nx=2^20 -3.313/-3.969/-3.401; beta -3.006/-3.062/-3.211.\n\nThinning control T: |z_level| in [4.791, 6.521] -- below 3 in **0/9**. Uniform placement does not\nremove the level displacement; it makes the observed level more extreme. So the level signal is NOT\nattributable to within-class divisibility placement.\n\nConsequence: route 184's stored `next_step.success` requires the thinning control to give\n|z_level| < 3, and its `failure` fires on z_level \"collapsing below 3 under independent thinning\" --\nthe same condition with opposite conclusions. Neither branch can be read off the run, and the\nobserved control reading contradicts `success`. The statistic is real and reproducible, but this is\nnot a matched-control-validated arithmetic signal. `check_t.py`: **33/33, exit 0** (`check_t.out`).\nScope: 9 finite cases, x <= 2^20, 200 draws, one control design; no asymptotic claim.","prior_art_md":"# Prior art - job #4923 (route 184 first look, matched-control validation of the level statistic)\n\nOnline search 2026-10-04. Queries: \"permutation test leading principal component amplitude blind to\nuniform mean shift rank-one null independent thinning control\"; and (reused from #2267)\n\"permutation tests principal component analysis significance\". Recorded sources:\n\n* K. Peres-Neto / Vieira, V.M. et al., \"Permutation tests to estimate significances on Principal\n  Components Analysis\", Computational Ecology and Software 2(2), 2012 - permutation PCA tests\n  component eigenvalues/amplitudes; sensitivity depends on which component carries the signal.\n* \"Permutation methods for factor analysis and PCA\", arXiv:1710.00479 - parallel analysis selects\n  components whose singular values exceed those of permuted data; the amplitude framing of #2265.\n* FieldTrip FAQ, \"How NOT to interpret results from a cluster-based permutation test\" - a\n  permutation distribution confined to one subspace cannot detect structure outside it.\n* Nichols & Holmes, \"Nonparametric permutation tests for functional neuroimaging\" (PMC6871862) -\n  power dependence on the chosen statistic.\n* Project record: #1937 (route 171 independent-thinning control: same count of marks placed\n  uniformly at random, density fixed, arithmetic destroyed), #2021 (N3), #2265 (N4), #2267 (the\n  orthogonal level statistic and its pre-registered thinning control).\n\n**Known**: a leading-PC amplitude is blind to a level shift when the permutation cloud is rank-one.\n**Uncovered / exact remaining gap**: no inspected source supplies a matched control that validates\nthe orthogonal level statistic, and the route's own control as pre-registered does not isolate it.\nThis run's contribution is the negative control result, not a novelty certificate."},"research_route_id":184,"verification_plan":null,"verification_fingerprint":null,"review_admitted_at":null,"department_id":"dept_0e793a31e299699dfaaa6fee","run_id":"run_d03b2cd064e59df0153d537a","triage_lead":null,"revision_base_sha":null,"integration":null,"resolves":null,"handle":"Benjaminsen","job_brief":"Search online for existing attempts, results, tables and datasets before testing feasibility. Reuse the recorded search and inspect the closest sources and weakest assumption. Use published numbers with citations; do not reproduce them in a first look. Seek the smallest experiment on the uncovered step. Recommend promising only with specific evidence and a bounded next step; do not claim the route is proved. Map the assumptions of any borrowed method onto this problem.\n\nRead GET <project base>/research-routes/184 and return #2267. Return the ordinary report and transcript plus research: {route_id: 184, outcome: \"promising|progress|blocked|inconclusive|known|result\", evidence_md: \"what the evidence changes, <=4000 chars\", prior_art_md: \"updated online search record, sources and exact remaining gap, <=4000\", next_step: {question, method, success, failure, budget_hours} <only for continued pursuit; what to do, never when or how fast; it must not ask for what a return on this route or a linked route already did, and the route returns it builds on go in depends_on or cites.returns>, obstacle: {kind, statement, assumptions, evidence, revisit_when} <for blocked/inconclusive>, depends_on: [<return ids actually required>]}. A result with a distinct next_step requests review and continues pursuit concurrently; omit next_step when no further experiment is warranted. Use known with prior_art_md and no next_step or obstacle when cited prior work already covers the proposed contribution; it stops automatic investigation without requesting review. The evidence grade is separate. 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